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Post by ilovetofix on Feb 26, 2007 11:58:44 GMT -5
Now I've heard there was a secret chord
That David played, and it pleased the Lord
But you don't really care for music, do you?
It goes like this
The fourth, the fifth
The minor fall, the major lift
The baffled king composing Hallelujah
Hallelujah
Hallelujah
Hallelujah
Hallelujah
Your faith was strong but you needed proof
You saw her bathing on the roof
Her beauty and the moonlight overthrew her
She tied you
To a kitchen chair
She broke your throne, and she cut your hair
And from your lips she drew the Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
You say I took the name in vain
I don't even know the name
But if I did, well really, what's it to you?
There's a blaze of light
In every word
It doesn't matter which you heard
The holy or the broken Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
I did my best, it wasn't much
I couldn't feel, so I tried to touch
I've told the truth, I didn't come to fool you
And even though
It all went wrong
I'll stand before the Lord of Song
With nothing on my tongue but Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah, Hallelujah
Hallelujah
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Post by Faustus on Feb 26, 2007 12:01:15 GMT -5
Amen.
Ninja edit: My personal favorite is "Anthem".
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Post by khomeini on Feb 26, 2007 12:02:13 GMT -5
Leonard Cohen? This is the first time you've mentioned anything relating to Christianity. Are there more forces at work then you've mentioned or does this point to something else?
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Post by Killian on Feb 26, 2007 12:05:12 GMT -5
I love the Rufus Wainwright version of the song.
What is relevant, and what is opposite?
The first few lines about the "secret chord" and "music". Does this maybe tie in with the videos?
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Post by ilovetofix on Feb 26, 2007 12:06:45 GMT -5
Perhaps.
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Post by Faustus on Feb 26, 2007 12:30:24 GMT -5
I Sam. 16:23: And it came to pass, when the evil spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him.
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Oh man I don't know about this. What are people going to say?
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Post by cog05 on Feb 26, 2007 13:51:08 GMT -5
If someone's going to analyze the audio of any of the videos, it seems like the ones on Google will be easiest since there's an option to download, and I'm not aware of any way to get them off of youtube. It'd make sense that they'd be uploaded to a site you can download from if we're supposed to pick them apart. Anyone know the significance of the thread title?
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Post by Killian on Feb 26, 2007 14:02:41 GMT -5
I've been able to get them off YouTube with a Firefox extension. It saves it as a FLV file, but it can be converted into any other kind of video file with the right software.
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Post by shnards on Feb 26, 2007 14:33:45 GMT -5
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Post by Killian on Feb 26, 2007 14:35:55 GMT -5
Awesome! Thanks, shnards!  |
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Post by sartor on Feb 26, 2007 14:49:34 GMT -5
The octave is divided into semitones:
The octave
The seventh, major or minor
The sixth, major or minor
The fifth, perfect or diminished
The fourth, perfect or augmented
The third, major or minor
The second, major or minor
The unison
Cohen's lyrics probably don't bear any riddle-like significance.
The tones in the videos may be encoded, however. The synthesizer tones (not those that sound like phone dialing tones) are the following scale degrees: 5, 4, lowered 3, 1, lowered 7, 1, lowered 7, 1, lowered 7, etc. This sequence fades and the "dialing tones" come in. Those are much more _discord_ant, and will require closer examination. I can do it, though it would help if someone could edit the audio and slow it down (without changing pitch!).
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Post by Killian on Feb 26, 2007 14:57:56 GMT -5
Awwww crap...if I wasn't stuck here at work, I think I could do it at home using either Audition or Audacity. If anyone else has those (Audacity is free, btw, and it's an awesome sound editing program!), you should be able to slow down the sound without altering the pitch...
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Post by sartor on Feb 26, 2007 14:59:51 GMT -5
Awwww crap...if I wasn't stuck here at work, I think I could do it at home using either Audition or Audacity. If anyone else has those (Audacity is free, btw, and it's an awesome sound editing program!), you should be able to slow down the sound without altering the pitch... I have Audacity, but I lack the video rip. |
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Post by slyfingers on Feb 26, 2007 15:08:38 GMT -5
Sartor- check earlier in this thread, there is a post to the audio from the first 5 videos for download.
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Post by sartor on Feb 26, 2007 15:11:27 GMT -5
Sartor- check earlier in this thread, there is a post to the audio from the first 5 videos for download. Thank you. I will now investigate. |
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Post by malakaish on Feb 26, 2007 15:25:59 GMT -5
If there is a message hidden in the chord progression, i wonder if it will be numerological or what. Good luck sartor.
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Post by sartor on Feb 26, 2007 16:04:27 GMT -5
If there is a message hidden in the chord progression, i wonder if it will be numerological or what. Good luck sartor. Well, I'm trained in music theory, but not numerology! It sounds like a tone-row in 20th century dodecaphonic music (twelve-tone music, Arnold Schoenberg, Alban Berg, Anton Webern). EDIT: Audacity is perfect. I'll mess around some more. |
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Post by snowfox090 on Feb 26, 2007 16:13:53 GMT -5
If there is a message hidden in the chord progression, i wonder if it will be numerological or what. Good luck sartor. Well, I'm trained in music theory, but not numerology! It sounds like a tone-row in 20th century dodecaphonic music (twelve-tone music, Arnold Schoenberg, Alban Berg, Anton Webern). EDIT: Audacity is perfect. I'll mess around some more. I'm okay at numerology, and I know people who can help too. |
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Post by malakaish on Feb 26, 2007 16:32:19 GMT -5
Great news. If there's something there, it looks like we'll be able to find it for sure.
Also, if you listen to the sound, it sounds as if it's playing backwards. Maybe an analysis of the sound in reverse would be worth doing as well. I'd love to, but unfortunately my theory training stopped at the end of highschool. Hate to drop that onto your plate as well sartor.
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Post by casper29 on Feb 26, 2007 16:43:52 GMT -5
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Post by softilicious on Feb 26, 2007 18:52:56 GMT -5
I believe this is the Jeff Buckley version of the song (Rufus copyed him on this) I would look and see (for all you music majors) on the chord progression what notes are in play and if they happen to be all triads or 3 octive progressions. I would bet they are because of the 333-333-333-333 theme.
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Post by sartor on Feb 26, 2007 18:56:21 GMT -5
I have already ID'd Video 4 as "Claw Fingers" from Silent Hill. Casper has beaten me to posting the reversed tracks. Can anyone ID the piano from Video 5 or the distorted violin(?) from 3? The tempo appears to have been cut in half.
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Post by malakaish on Feb 26, 2007 20:08:39 GMT -5
both 3 and 5 sound very similar, almost sound Russian in composition. I wonder if they're from the same song, except the tempo has been slowed down in 3?
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Post by sartor on Feb 26, 2007 20:09:59 GMT -5
both 3 and 5 sound very similar, almost sound Russian in composition. I wonder if they're from the same song, except the tempo has been slowed down in 3? The orchestration is different. There is no evidence that they are from the same piece. I believe this is the Jeff Buckley version of the song (Rufus copyed him on this) I would look and see (for all you music majors) on the chord progression what notes are in play and if they happen to be all triads or 3 octive progressions. I would bet they are because of the 333-333-333-333 theme. I've listened to several live performances of Buckley's on YouTube, and haven't found a match. The song's use of triadic chords doesn't indicate any useful pattern. EDIT: Someone on UF figured out that the main music was from an old TV logo: www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2NCYpZVzeISo much for secret messages! UF also got the reverse music in #2, it's the jingle from NBC. Somehow I find this really funny. |
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Post by painteroflight on Feb 26, 2007 23:36:44 GMT -5
leonard cohen lived for years on the greek island of hydra.
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Post by dez on Feb 26, 2007 23:39:07 GMT -5
okay, I've been following this thing from the beginning.... and I was perfectly happy to watch from the sidelines, but then you had to bust out the Leonard Cohen. What more could a girl want!
Hallelujah, no less!!!
Maybe, you're all focusing too much on the backmasking and chord progressions...
The entire song if rife with imagery:
- Bethsheba bathing on the roof, tempting King David to commit adultery and murder her husband.
-Delilah and the cutting of Sampson's hair and with it his strength
(the temptation of beauty and how it can destroy even the strongest/noblest of men?)
-the idea that music, and the "word" or "name" can transcend the earthly plane.
Much like the story of Erich Zann (with the music anyway)
- not to mention the word Hallelujah itself (the only Hebrew word thus far*). It's used only in the book of Psalms and the book of Revelations <--- "poetry" and the "end of the world". hmmm... sound familiar??
*the "numerolgy" that everyone's been trying their hand at originally comes from studying Hebrew texts of the old Testament. Every syllable in hebrew has a name, meaning, action (?), and number. They were trying to find the name of God in the texts by manipulating the numbers represented by the text (I'm not saying that I'm an expert, in fact I would like it if someone can check me on this)
And that's not even all 15 verses of the song.
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Post by dez on Feb 26, 2007 23:41:06 GMT -5
but what of this is relevant and what is opposite???
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Post by sartor on Feb 26, 2007 23:54:44 GMT -5
The entire song if rife with imagery: - Bethsheba bathing on the roof, tempting King David to commit adultery and murder her husband. -Delilah and the cutting of Sampson's hair and with it his strength (the temptation of beauty and how it can destroy even the strongest/noblest of men?). Great observations. You're right, digging around with the mechanical aspect of the music was getting nowhere, and an approach more sensitive to symbolism was needed. |
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